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		<title>Comment on Horse Tripping – Really? by Elana</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/15/horse-tripping-%e2%80%93-really/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>Elana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying, "it's just their culture" is akin to saying "I don't know any better."  

Show me a world where ignorance of the law is an excuse for breaking the law, and I'll show you anarchy.  

What those opposed to "cultural" bans on things like horse tripping and dog- and cockfighting are asking for is affirmative action for lawlessness.  

All I have to say about that, with a nod to the female circumcision reference, is that we use to have slavery as a culture.  Now we don't.  We had a bloody, horrible war about it, but righteousness won.  The country is a better place for it -- as is the rest of the free world, because we set an EXAMPLE for those places suffering from oppression, ignorance and inertia.  

I am, as Citizen K said, also no freind of PETA.  At first blush, this looks like a situation where a constitutional "no animal cruelty" amendment would serve us well.  Where we need to tread lightly is in specifically defining the cruelty we are bannig to practices that cause injury or death to the animal.  

What could happen with a "no cruelty" defined as "injury" is such:  you have a new girth and you go for a trail ride.  you get a bit lost and are riding for several hours in the heat before you find your way back to the barn.  Your horse has rubs and a girth gall and some thorn scratches on his pastern from the briars you had to blaze through to get home.  

No horse person would imagine this is cruelty, but that is the bread and butter of PETA types:  finding the lewd in the mundane.  

Please think carefully before supporting any legislation that is not written narrowly.  Sure, it feels good to "ban cruelty," but WE, the GOOD GUYS are going to be the ones getting the short shrift before long.

I haven't read the AZ legislation, but the Border states are probably most reluctant to do what is most relevant.

Makes me wish I ran the world, I tell you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying, &#8220;it&#8217;s just their culture&#8221; is akin to saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t know any better.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Show me a world where ignorance of the law is an excuse for breaking the law, and I&#8217;ll show you anarchy.  </p>
<p>What those opposed to &#8220;cultural&#8221; bans on things like horse tripping and dog- and cockfighting are asking for is affirmative action for lawlessness.  </p>
<p>All I have to say about that, with a nod to the female circumcision reference, is that we use to have slavery as a culture.  Now we don&#8217;t.  We had a bloody, horrible war about it, but righteousness won.  The country is a better place for it &#8212; as is the rest of the free world, because we set an EXAMPLE for those places suffering from oppression, ignorance and inertia.  </p>
<p>I am, as Citizen K said, also no freind of PETA.  At first blush, this looks like a situation where a constitutional &#8220;no animal cruelty&#8221; amendment would serve us well.  Where we need to tread lightly is in specifically defining the cruelty we are bannig to practices that cause injury or death to the animal.  </p>
<p>What could happen with a &#8220;no cruelty&#8221; defined as &#8220;injury&#8221; is such:  you have a new girth and you go for a trail ride.  you get a bit lost and are riding for several hours in the heat before you find your way back to the barn.  Your horse has rubs and a girth gall and some thorn scratches on his pastern from the briars you had to blaze through to get home.  </p>
<p>No horse person would imagine this is cruelty, but that is the bread and butter of PETA types:  finding the lewd in the mundane.  </p>
<p>Please think carefully before supporting any legislation that is not written narrowly.  Sure, it feels good to &#8220;ban cruelty,&#8221; but WE, the GOOD GUYS are going to be the ones getting the short shrift before long.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read the AZ legislation, but the Border states are probably most reluctant to do what is most relevant.</p>
<p>Makes me wish I ran the world, I tell you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Horse Lunging &#038; Fighting Agents of Dumb by Elana</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/30/horse-lunging-fighting-agents-of-dumb/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Elana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is, "AMEN, SISTER."  

I'm not even going to start.  But on top of horse-longes-human situations, can I just throw on top of the pile the idea of human-on-a-cell-phone-not-even-turning-but-lifting-longe-line-over-her-head-as-horse-canters-around?  

AUGH!  Just thinking about that makes my skin crawl.  

Longeing is absolutely something that needs to be learned by both human and horse.  If you can get access to a trained (not necessarily perfectly broke, but gentle) longeing horse to practice, you will see how much your body position affects thier desire to stay out and move forward on a circle.  

Also, consistent, effective (read, if you've said it more than twice, DO SOMETHING about it) voice commands can work wonders.  My horses not only know the basic gait commands but also understand "slow" and "up" for shortening and lengthening thier strides.  Even a simple hand gesture for halt can help them.  Also, a verbal "half-halt" like "aaaand walk" or "ready? canTER" will help your horse do what you are asking him the first time, keeping all parties involved happy.  

And for God's sakes, don't longe a bucker with beginners around.  Our fearless author could clearly manage the situation, but how cool is it NOT to see one horse loose with a longe line tripping another horse loose with the reins over his head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is, &#8220;AMEN, SISTER.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even going to start.  But on top of horse-longes-human situations, can I just throw on top of the pile the idea of human-on-a-cell-phone-not-even-turning-but-lifting-longe-line-over-her-head-as-horse-canters-around?  </p>
<p>AUGH!  Just thinking about that makes my skin crawl.  </p>
<p>Longeing is absolutely something that needs to be learned by both human and horse.  If you can get access to a trained (not necessarily perfectly broke, but gentle) longeing horse to practice, you will see how much your body position affects thier desire to stay out and move forward on a circle.  </p>
<p>Also, consistent, effective (read, if you&#8217;ve said it more than twice, DO SOMETHING about it) voice commands can work wonders.  My horses not only know the basic gait commands but also understand &#8220;slow&#8221; and &#8220;up&#8221; for shortening and lengthening thier strides.  Even a simple hand gesture for halt can help them.  Also, a verbal &#8220;half-halt&#8221; like &#8220;aaaand walk&#8221; or &#8220;ready? canTER&#8221; will help your horse do what you are asking him the first time, keeping all parties involved happy.  </p>
<p>And for God&#8217;s sakes, don&#8217;t longe a bucker with beginners around.  Our fearless author could clearly manage the situation, but how cool is it NOT to see one horse loose with a longe line tripping another horse loose with the reins over his head?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Horse Lunging &#038; Fighting Agents of Dumb by Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/30/horse-lunging-fighting-agents-of-dumb/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man. Yeah, I lunge my horse every time I ride him. I kinda have to. He loves to buck and I just want to make sure he gets a chance to do that on the lunge line before I get on. That way, most of the ants have left his metaphorical pants before I attempt to mount. He also will only gallop around like an idiot unless he has some form of contact on his mouth--lately, I've been using a chambon. Before that, I long-lined him or lunged him in side reins before I got on. The chambon is great because it forces him to stretch him neck down. he can still buck and play, but he has to do it with his head down and that makes it more difficult. I always ask before I lunge. Luckily, I am at a barn full of dead broke western horses and not a one of them cares if my horse acts like a turd. There is another person at my barn who lunges her horse with something that sounds like a bullwhip and scares the ever-living crap out of my colt. We try to only walk while she lunges. I don't need a whip with my colt because he's too sensitive. All I need to do is kiss to him loudly to send him into a full blow gallop. I am working on being able to walk him around the outside of the barn right now and that seems too much for him to handle. 
  I definitely am always conscious of others whenever I'm working my horse because he's liable to buck at any time. I always say "mind his butt" and apologize if he kicks the arena wall--usually I can feel him start to buck and steer him away from the wall so he doesn't whack it if he does buck. Bad lungers suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man. Yeah, I lunge my horse every time I ride him. I kinda have to. He loves to buck and I just want to make sure he gets a chance to do that on the lunge line before I get on. That way, most of the ants have left his metaphorical pants before I attempt to mount. He also will only gallop around like an idiot unless he has some form of contact on his mouth&#8211;lately, I&#8217;ve been using a chambon. Before that, I long-lined him or lunged him in side reins before I got on. The chambon is great because it forces him to stretch him neck down. he can still buck and play, but he has to do it with his head down and that makes it more difficult. I always ask before I lunge. Luckily, I am at a barn full of dead broke western horses and not a one of them cares if my horse acts like a turd. There is another person at my barn who lunges her horse with something that sounds like a bullwhip and scares the ever-living crap out of my colt. We try to only walk while she lunges. I don&#8217;t need a whip with my colt because he&#8217;s too sensitive. All I need to do is kiss to him loudly to send him into a full blow gallop. I am working on being able to walk him around the outside of the barn right now and that seems too much for him to handle.<br />
  I definitely am always conscious of others whenever I&#8217;m working my horse because he&#8217;s liable to buck at any time. I always say &#8220;mind his butt&#8221; and apologize if he kicks the arena wall&#8211;usually I can feel him start to buck and steer him away from the wall so he doesn&#8217;t whack it if he does buck. Bad lungers suck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Arabian Horse Breed: Why The Hate? by Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/05/18/the-arabian-horse-breed-why-the-hate/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first horse was a half Arabian. He had been a bucking horse, but he loved me. I have had at least one horse since age five. My favorite breed is an Arabian. They love you and are very loyal. 
Kris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first horse was a half Arabian. He had been a bucking horse, but he loved me. I have had at least one horse since age five. My favorite breed is an Arabian. They love you and are very loyal.<br />
Kris</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Arabian Horse Breed: Why The Hate? by Sabine</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/05/18/the-arabian-horse-breed-why-the-hate/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever tryed riding an arabian horse ? - you don`t know what what you miss!!!


(that is not a question to those, who have allready answered above!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever tryed riding an arabian horse ? - you don`t know what what you miss!!!</p>
<p>(that is not a question to those, who have allready answered above!!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t Sink To Horse Clicker Training Level by Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/04/21/dont-sink-to-horse-clicker-training-level/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are seriously mistaken on a lot of points in your post. Clicker training absolutely can be used successfully with horses and other equids. (And chickens, and marine mammals, and just about anything else.) 

I've had excellent results with clicker training, including training horses to load in trailers, stand for mounting, and training a nervous, pushy donkey to walk alongside me politely, and take treats without biting (which he did, hard, when he came to me).  

Clicker training (operant conditioning) is not the same as coaxing or bribery. If you're not getting good results with it, you aren't doing it correctly. Since you apparently haven't done it at all, maybe you shouldn't be giving advice on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are seriously mistaken on a lot of points in your post. Clicker training absolutely can be used successfully with horses and other equids. (And chickens, and marine mammals, and just about anything else.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had excellent results with clicker training, including training horses to load in trailers, stand for mounting, and training a nervous, pushy donkey to walk alongside me politely, and take treats without biting (which he did, hard, when he came to me).  </p>
<p>Clicker training (operant conditioning) is not the same as coaxing or bribery. If you&#8217;re not getting good results with it, you aren&#8217;t doing it correctly. Since you apparently haven&#8217;t done it at all, maybe you shouldn&#8217;t be giving advice on it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Horse Lunging &#038; Fighting Agents of Dumb by Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/30/horse-lunging-fighting-agents-of-dumb/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a case of "never credit to malice what can be attributed to stupidity." Maybe ask for her "help" since your horse is "sensitive", and ask if she could arrange to lunge somewhere else, as a favor to you.

I confess, I am no good at lunging, and neither is my horse. I've felt like it's something we should both know how to do, and have made a few attempts (at home, alone). Horse turns to stare at me, wanting pats, and shows no interest in moving. LOL At least he's fairly idiot-proof. 

Must spend a session or two with my instructor on lunging, since I'm clearly not getting it. 

At least I have enough sense to keep away from others, and to not allow slack/dragging. I hope that woman smartens up before she gets herself tangled in the line - that could've been fatal when her horse took off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a case of &#8220;never credit to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.&#8221; Maybe ask for her &#8220;help&#8221; since your horse is &#8220;sensitive&#8221;, and ask if she could arrange to lunge somewhere else, as a favor to you.</p>
<p>I confess, I am no good at lunging, and neither is my horse. I&#8217;ve felt like it&#8217;s something we should both know how to do, and have made a few attempts (at home, alone). Horse turns to stare at me, wanting pats, and shows no interest in moving. LOL At least he&#8217;s fairly idiot-proof. </p>
<p>Must spend a session or two with my instructor on lunging, since I&#8217;m clearly not getting it. </p>
<p>At least I have enough sense to keep away from others, and to not allow slack/dragging. I hope that woman smartens up before she gets herself tangled in the line - that could&#8217;ve been fatal when her horse took off.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Product Review:  Bizzy Ball by Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/07/08/product-review-bizzy-ball/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a product shout out for this website:

I just bought a pair of Griptek Gaitors half chaps from Kerrits and I think they are awesome! I feel like my legs are actually glued to my stirrup leathers. If you ride horses that buck a lot, these are the half chaps for you! Also, they're washable and made of synthetic fabric and not leather so they're a good vegan alternative. No joke, this product is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a product shout out for this website:</p>
<p>I just bought a pair of Griptek Gaitors half chaps from Kerrits and I think they are awesome! I feel like my legs are actually glued to my stirrup leathers. If you ride horses that buck a lot, these are the half chaps for you! Also, they&#8217;re washable and made of synthetic fabric and not leather so they&#8217;re a good vegan alternative. No joke, this product is awesome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Married With Horses by Lori Kern</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/22/married-with-horses/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD ARTICLE! my husband is from Germany and grew up riding/owning warmbloods ....the issue is he has no time, he likes horses and is a good rider but feels he would rather do his thing. and im perfectly fine with this because BARN TIME is MY TIME! not to mention i ride allot harder than he does so he gets nervous when i take off FULL SPEED!!!hehehehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD ARTICLE! my husband is from Germany and grew up riding/owning warmbloods &#8230;.the issue is he has no time, he likes horses and is a good rider but feels he would rather do his thing. and im perfectly fine with this because BARN TIME is MY TIME! not to mention i ride allot harder than he does so he gets nervous when i take off FULL SPEED!!!hehehehe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Married With Horses by Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenhorse.com/2008/08/22/married-with-horses/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article! It is definitely a dilemma I've faced many times. I have often wondered what I will do when I find a partner. I know that, in my family, whenever a woman "settles down" with one person they tend to quit riding. I know that, for me, I would sooner quit breathing than quit riding. Once upon a time, I had a partner whom I had met at the barn and who also rode herself--it was pretty awesome because we could always be there for each other whether it was critiquing each others' rides, fixing things around the barn, or sharing chores. The relationship eventually ended and I haven't really brought someone I'm seeing to the barn since. Usually most girls I date say things like "you ride? that's so cool!" or "I would love to meet your horse". Most women don't fully understand that "meeting my horse" involves a 4-hour ordeal--driving to the barn, stopping at the feed store, watching me tack up and untack, watching me ride, and being introduced to the barn folk. In all honesty, once I mention all the time involved, most girls back out. Also, I'm a different person at the barn than I am in the city where I live. My whole life I have always ridden way out in the country and lived in the inner city. So I just sort of split myself. I have met a lot of riders who are the same way. 
  Some day, I want to have a farm and live in the country. Unfortunately, the number of SANE lesbian women who want to have a farming life is very small--so small that I'm yet to meet one of them. I also want to adopt or foster kids someday--kids with autism. My assumption is that a woman who wants to live on a farm, loves horses, loves dogs, and loves kids with autism and also loves me won't come along. So I'll never have to worry :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article! It is definitely a dilemma I&#8217;ve faced many times. I have often wondered what I will do when I find a partner. I know that, in my family, whenever a woman &#8220;settles down&#8221; with one person they tend to quit riding. I know that, for me, I would sooner quit breathing than quit riding. Once upon a time, I had a partner whom I had met at the barn and who also rode herself&#8211;it was pretty awesome because we could always be there for each other whether it was critiquing each others&#8217; rides, fixing things around the barn, or sharing chores. The relationship eventually ended and I haven&#8217;t really brought someone I&#8217;m seeing to the barn since. Usually most girls I date say things like &#8220;you ride? that&#8217;s so cool!&#8221; or &#8220;I would love to meet your horse&#8221;. Most women don&#8217;t fully understand that &#8220;meeting my horse&#8221; involves a 4-hour ordeal&#8211;driving to the barn, stopping at the feed store, watching me tack up and untack, watching me ride, and being introduced to the barn folk. In all honesty, once I mention all the time involved, most girls back out. Also, I&#8217;m a different person at the barn than I am in the city where I live. My whole life I have always ridden way out in the country and lived in the inner city. So I just sort of split myself. I have met a lot of riders who are the same way.<br />
  Some day, I want to have a farm and live in the country. Unfortunately, the number of SANE lesbian women who want to have a farming life is very small&#8211;so small that I&#8217;m yet to meet one of them. I also want to adopt or foster kids someday&#8211;kids with autism. My assumption is that a woman who wants to live on a farm, loves horses, loves dogs, and loves kids with autism and also loves me won&#8217;t come along. So I&#8217;ll never have to worry <img src='http://www.citizenhorse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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